Please Help Answer this Critical Question.

#1
A christian sister of 46, in one of these popular churches in Nigeria got pregnant, and the Church decided to discipline her since she was not married.
The church council of elders invited her for interrogation and briefings. When she met with the elders of the Church, and was asked questions regarding to her pregnancy, she told them that she has stayed in the Church for years and no one is marrying her and she is getting to the age were she can't get pregnant if she eventually gets married.

So, in order not to suffer 'unfruitfulness' later in her aging life, she went for artificial insemination because she would one day need someone to take care of her in old age.
She went ahead to provide all the medical documents to back up her claims.
The sister is pregnant without committing fornication nor adultery.
The church council of elders were thrown into confusion as they were stunned beyond measure and they asked her to leave but will hear from them asap.

*DID THE LADY COMMIT ANY SIN?*
If YES or NO, please give your reasons for your answer.
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#2
Yes she commit capital sin
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#3
she av a good reason bt adoption or maybe waiting fr God's tym wud av been a better option
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#4
Is a sin before God
first, she did'nt trust God, that He is an impossibility specialist
she was not patient enough
and she also indirectly committed fornication, cus dat sperm belongs to someone, d difference is dat it did'nt go through d normal way.
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#5
@Favour
What exactly is her "sin"?
Fornication or not trusting God?
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#6
(01-09-2017, 09:45 AM)Ojukwu Wrote: @Favour
What exactly is her "sin"?
Fornication or not trusting God?

not trusting God
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#7
(01-09-2017, 10:35 AM)Favour Wrote: not trusting God
What is she doesn't want to marry again?
Just get a child to take care of, simple!
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#8
(01-09-2017, 10:38 AM)Ojukwu Wrote: What is she doesn't want to marry again?
Just get a child to take care of, simple!

but d action she took is not right, because she is a Christian and has trusted God all these while
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#9
(01-09-2017, 10:48 AM)Favour Wrote: but d action she took is not right, because she is a Christian and has trusted God all these while
I think I have a stench idea of the reason behind your logic.
Let's be on the realistic side for once, what exactly makes her action "wrong" or as you put it "not right"?
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#10
(01-09-2017, 11:02 AM)Ojukwu Wrote: I think I have a stench idea of the reason behind your logic.
Let's be on the realistic side for once, what exactly makes her action "wrong" or as you put it "not right"?

okay, this thing is like a pastor visiting a native doctor for powers, y he claims that he believes in God
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#11
(01-09-2017, 12:05 PM)Favour Wrote: okay, this thing is like a pastor visiting a native doctor for powers, y he claims that he believes in God
But in this case it's not spiritual help or religious solution, it's a simple science.
Don't you think so?
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#12
Remember d spiritual controls d physical
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#13
What she did was absolutely wrong, she walked faster than His creator
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#14
(01-09-2017, 12:19 PM)Favour Wrote: Remember d spiritual controls d physical
I know, sweetie.
Are you telling me the artificial insemination have something to do with the spirit?
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#15
(01-09-2017, 12:22 PM)Ojukwu Wrote: I know, sweetie.
Are you telling me the artificial insemination have something to do with the spirit?

it does not matter, but in the presence of God is a sin
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#16
Dat sister should have come to me just like @Charytea did.... Tongue
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#17
(01-09-2017, 12:36 PM)Favour Wrote: it does not matter, but in the presence of God is a sin
OK dear but I am still confused, what exactly makes it a "sin"?
Any viable theory to support such claim?
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#18
(01-09-2017, 12:22 PM)Ojukwu Wrote: I know, sweetie.
Are you telling me the artificial insemination have something to do with the spirit?

to her it was nothing, but to God is something
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#19
(01-09-2017, 12:41 PM)Favour Wrote: to her it was nothing, but to God is something
OK. Thanks for your opinion.
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#20
I WILL AGREE SHE COMMITED A SIN ONLY WHEN YOU AND ME STOP EATING BROILLERS AND FISHES BRED THROUGH SAME METHOD.MOREOVER, THERE IS NOWHERE IN THE BIBLE THAT SAYS PRACTICAL INSEMINATION IS SIN.
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#21
(01-09-2017, 03:58 PM)NZE UBAH Wrote: I WILL AGREE SHE COMMITED A SIN ONLY WHEN YOU AND ME STOP EATING BROILLERS AND FISHES BRED THROUGH SAME METHOD.MOREOVER, THERE IS NOWHERE IN THE BIBLE THAT SAYS PRACTICAL INSEMINATION IS SIN.
Thanks for this reply sir.
This is exactly what I am asking - is artificial insemination considered "SIN"? Is there any proof, backup or practical logic for the claim?
Thanks again for this great reply!
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#22
I don't think that is wise!
Why not adopt a child and take care of him|her instead of birthing another.
Besides who says she can't get married at 46 or bear children at that age?
Why not get married and do the artificial insemination with her husband's sperm?
I think she is just desperate?
Adoption would have been a better option.
As for those comparing human beings with fishes and chicken, well-done!!!
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#23
Aaaammmm... Actually I can't judge, but from my own perspective, she's guilty of fornication.

You know, adultery/fornication has gone beyond physical contact..
According to matt. 5:27 ...thou shall not commit adultery. Vs 28 but I say unto you, that who so ever looketh on a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart.

So knowing fully well that it is through copulation that one gets pregnant, and she decided to get pregnant through artificial insemination, she has committed fornication in her mind and besides, the introduction of a foreign semen into her concludes it all.
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#24
@Francischuxx
It's either you don't understand the explanation of the verse you quoted, the point you just made or have no idea of artificial insemination.
The verse you quoted is talking about looking at an opposite sex in and conceive a deep thought of sleeping with them, that's what lust means.
In artificial insemination, she might not even know what the donor looks like so no question of lust etc.

@Charytea
You might not think it's wise but the lady in question has the right to think otherwise.
* She might not be married because no man is interested in her or want to marry her. At 46 unmarried women especially Africans are bound to have many thoughts within them. Don't tell me you have not seen women who are not married, not because they didn't want to but because no man has asked for their hands in marriage.
* She might want her blood not adopted child, her choice.
* The main argument is here should be - can artificial insemination be considered a "SIN", if yes bring out a meaning backup up to your conclusion.
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#25
God's time is d best, she would have wait for God's time
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#26
(01-09-2017, 07:58 PM)Chris Wrote: God's time is d best, she would have wait for God's time

Thank you!
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#27
@Chris
We are dealing with with fact and login here not religious preaching.
What we are contemplating here is the action she took, if it is considered "SIN" or not and not if God's time is the best or not.
Besides, not everyone gets married, I know more than 3 women that never married, ever.
One is above 60 while the two others are in their 50s.
Seriously, you guys are not getting the point at all.
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#28
Mr @Ojukwu
I get your point...
I used that passage to illustrate smthng.
To let you know that one doesn't necessarily need to have a physical contact with the opposite to commit adultery or formication...
A simple LUST, has already committed the sin.

So in this case, using the illustration above, the primary aim of copulation is to bring offsprings.
So, if she likes, let her use the artificial method, as long as a sperm is introduced into her to fertilize her egg, and the donor is not her husband, she is a fornicator.
Why can't she adopt a child?
Or better wait for God's time.
It's the best.
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#29
In my own understanding I believe dat it is nt must dat everybody must get married or give birth to a child cuz I know a man dat did not get married nd he is now going to 70yrs .
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#30
@Francischuxx
You did not get my point, if you did you won't be bringing lust back to this post again. Lust have to do with how you contemplated the thing on your mind. Without contact aspect from the Bible is all about how you think visualise the thing on your mind. In this aspect such a thing was not involved. You really need to understand the meaning of lust before bringing it here again.
Take a lot at this explanation of -
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uncontrolled or illicit sexual desire or appetite; lecherousness. 3. a passionate or overmastering desire or craving (usually followed by for).
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Also, stop saying the male cell need to fertilize the egg before fornication should occur. If the above is the case then a use of protection which does not allow the male cell to fertilize egg then means there is no fornication or whatever.
* As per adoption a child, you guys should stop this already. SHE DOESN'T WANT TO ADOPT A CHILD, SHE NEEDS HER OWN BLOOD!
* God's time - might be she won't get unmarried again. I believe in faith as a Christianity but I works with fact and logic as a scientist.
There are millions of women globally who never got married, she can easily be one of then. At 46 in a typical African settings the window is fast shutting down.

@Chris
Exactly, everybody must not get married or have children. In the western world many people don't but the woman in the above story WANT A CHILD THAT MUST OF BE HER BLOOD (not adopted one).

Thanks.
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#31
Sorry I won't agree with you on this @Ojukwu
Pock me in your next post..
But this one, I lack words to justify her act.
Thanks.
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#32
(02-09-2017, 12:35 AM)Francischuxx Wrote: Sorry I won't agree with you on this @Ojukwu
Pock me in your next post..
But this one, I lack words to justify her act.
Thanks.
You won agree with me on what exactly?
I have not neither agreed nor disagreed on what the woman in the thread did. Or do you think I am the woman that did the insemination?

What is am correcting you here is your misunderstanding of lust and the confusion with artificial insemination. They are not even remotely related.
This thread is not about agreeing or disagreeing with me and everyone I'd free to make their point.
Thanks for participating in this the was anyway.
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#33
Big sin artificial insemination.
They are women dat give birth at 60,
My advice isConfusedhe for know she for kukuma enjoy the natural sex.
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#34
@Ojomapkene
At least you are going to the right direction of the thread instead of the generic "God's time is the best".

You said artificial insemination is a "big sin"?
How do you defend the claim? What exactly makes it a sin?
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#35
(02-09-2017, 07:38 AM)Ojukwu Wrote: @Ojomapkene
At least you are going to the right direction of the thread instead of the generic "God's time is the best".

You said artificial insemination is a "big sin"?
How do you defend the claim? What exactly makes it a sin?

God created both male and female and he said to them
Be fruitful and multiply,and he created sex both for children bearing and pleasure purposes.
But do you know what is for only the married people.
So any pregnancy outside marriage is a great sin,whether natural or artificial.
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#36
@Ojomapkene
Pregnancy outside marriage is sin?
Support the above claims with any scriptural or similar backup.
The Bible condemns fornicating, adultery - that in sure of.
After the creation God told humans to be fruitful and multiply, not married people, male and female.
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I actually started thread as a result of status update from my friend's Facebook wall. Most of them were of opinion she did not commit sin or did anything wrong so I asked for the opinions of the members of this forum.
To very frank I am very disappointed with the replies I've gotten here so far especially the generic "God's time is the best" which have nothing to do with this discussion.
I promised to prove him wrong but you guys are not helping it at all.
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#37
(01-09-2017, 07:58 PM)Chris Wrote: God's time is d best, she would have wait for God's time

when you reach 46 with no marriage let me see if u will still wait for God. mtchewww
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(01-09-2017, 08:08 PM)Charytea Wrote: Thank you!

god can go fuck himself if u ask me
you cant blame the woman for losing faith I mean 46 years and u are still telling her to wait for god u my friend are a lier
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#38
Wait oooooo but shey body na firewood ni?
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